Thoughts about IP Transit
Hey all, There was a discussion recently on Ausnog about Transit, so I was inspired to make a video about some of my thoughts on the subject. I've done this video as my ISP Guy thing, and I thought I would share it as you might find it useful or interesting. It isn't meant to stir up people, but I am sure it may, especially those selling transit in a certain way. This video is more about educating people about the value of transit in certain kinds of ways. It is about 14 mins long, but I'd like to know what you thought if you have time to watch it. http://theispguy.com/thoughts-about-transit/ or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpq_jOMEmdM The pricing I mention in the video is mostly relevant to Australia and I realise pricing is somewhat different in NZ. That brings up a question... what is the pricing of transit in NZ and what ways are people selling it? Are terms 6, 12, 18, 24 months? What is the average price you are seeing? Does pricing drop much at scale? Who are the key providers of quality transit? Is there a demand for 1:1 in NZ? or is a little contention ok? Just a few questions so I can understand the NZ market a bit more and in future perhaps include that in my commentary. ...Skeeve *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd skeeve(a)eintellegonetworks.co.nz ; www.eintellegonetworks.co.nz Phone: +612 8014 7398; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve facebook.com/eintellegonetworks ; http://twitter.com/networkceoau linkedin.com/in/skeeve twitter.com/theispguy ; blog: www.theispguy.com The Experts Who The Experts Call Juniper - Cisco - Cloud - Consulting - IPv4 Brokering
Gday Skeeve Very well done mate :D It was great listening to this and gauging an idea, and I love how you mentioned about gaming, and the fact school holidays use more transit upstream Hope to see a series of doc’s from you in the future :D Regards, Daniel Watson Network Administrator / Network Operations Manager E Daniel(a)GloVine.com.au W www.GloVine.com.au From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Skeeve Stevens Sent: Wednesday, 2 July 2014 6:31 PM To: NZNOG Mailing-List Subject: [nznog] Thoughts about IP Transit Hey all, There was a discussion recently on Ausnog about Transit, so I was inspired to make a video about some of my thoughts on the subject. I've done this video as my ISP Guy thing, and I thought I would share it as you might find it useful or interesting. It isn't meant to stir up people, but I am sure it may, especially those selling transit in a certain way. This video is more about educating people about the value of transit in certain kinds of ways. It is about 14 mins long, but I'd like to know what you thought if you have time to watch it. http://theispguy.com/thoughts-about-transit/ or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpq_jOMEmdM The pricing I mention in the video is mostly relevant to Australia and I realise pricing is somewhat different in NZ. That brings up a question... what is the pricing of transit in NZ and what ways are people selling it? Are terms 6, 12, 18, 24 months? What is the average price you are seeing? Does pricing drop much at scale? Who are the key providers of quality transit? Is there a demand for 1:1 in NZ? or is a little contention ok? Just a few questions so I can understand the NZ market a bit more and in future perhaps include that in my commentary. ...Skeeve Skeeve Stevens - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd skeeve(a)eintellegonetworks.co.nzmailto:skeeve(a)eintellegonetworks.co.nz ; www.eintellegonetworks.co.nzhttp://www.eintellegonetworks.co.nz Phone: +612 8014 7398; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve facebook.com/eintellegonetworkshttp://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks ; linkedin.com/in/skeevehttp://linkedin.com/in/skeeve twitter.com/theispguyhttp://twitter.com/theispguy ; blog: www.theispguy.comhttp://www.theispguy.com/ [Image removed by sender.] The Experts Who The Experts Call Juniper - Cisco - Cloud - Consulting - IPv4 Brokering
Hi Skeeve/List This might be as good a time as any to introduce ourselves. I work for Next Generation Wholesale, and as far as I know we are the only transit/backhaul wholesaler in NZ who is willing to have a public rate card. We also have good rates for smaller quantities which is unusual. International CIR Price Per Month SLA 1 - 100 Mbps $22 per Mbps 99.5% 100 - 500 Mbps $21 per Mbps 99.5% 500 - 1000 Mbps $20 per Mbps 99.5% National CIR Price Per Month SLA 1 - 100 Mbps $13 per Mbps 99.5% 100 - 500 Mbps $12 per Mbps 99.5% 500 - 1000 Mbps $11 per Mbps 99.5% We can provide nationwide backhaul (needed these days for connecting up UFB zones) starting from $7.50 per Mbps. Terms are only 12 months, and happy to look into free trails, etc. Joel van Velden Account Manager Next Generation Wholesale 0800 891 365 http://ngw.co.nz sales(a)ngw.co.nz On 2/07/2014 8:31 p.m., Skeeve Stevens wrote:
Hey all,
There was a discussion recently on Ausnog about Transit, so I was inspired to make a video about some of my thoughts on the subject. I've done this video as my ISP Guy thing, and I thought I would share it as you might find it useful or interesting.
It isn't meant to stir up people, but I am sure it may, especially those selling transit in a certain way. This video is more about educating people about the value of transit in certain kinds of ways. It is about 14 mins long, but I'd like to know what you thought if you have time to watch it.
http://theispguy.com/thoughts-about-transit/ or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpq_jOMEmdM
The pricing I mention in the video is mostly relevant to Australia and I realise pricing is somewhat different in NZ.
That brings up a question... what is the pricing of transit in NZ and what ways are people selling it?
Are terms 6, 12, 18, 24 months? What is the average price you are seeing? Does pricing drop much at scale? Who are the key providers of quality transit?
Is there a demand for 1:1 in NZ? or is a little contention ok?
Just a few questions so I can understand the NZ market a bit more and in future perhaps include that in my commentary.
...Skeeve
*Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd skeeve(a)eintellegonetworks.co.nz mailto:skeeve(a)eintellegonetworks.co.nz ; www.eintellegonetworks.co.nz http://www.eintellegonetworks.co.nz
Phone: +612 8014 7398; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve
facebook.com/eintellegonetworks http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks ; linkedin.com/in/skeeve http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve
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Hi Joel,
I find this interesting. In Australia there are few people selling
'National' transit as such... a few, but not too much. Most of the time
transit is just transit - full domestic+international+often peering.
Would this be because the cost of NZ international transit? and are many
people buying domestic by itself?
I find this curious.
...Skeeve
*Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
skeeve(a)eintellegonetworks.co.nz ; www.eintellegonetworks.co.nz
Phone: +612 8014 7398; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve
facebook.com/eintellegonetworks ; http://twitter.com/networkceoau
linkedin.com/in/skeeve
twitter.com/theispguy ; blog: www.theispguy.com
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On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 8:49 PM, Joel van Velden
Hi Skeeve/List
This might be as good a time as any to introduce ourselves.
I work for Next Generation Wholesale, and as far as I know we are the only transit/backhaul wholesaler in NZ who is willing to have a public rate card. We also have good rates for smaller quantities which is unusual.
International CIR Price Per Month SLA 1 - 100 Mbps $22 per Mbps 99.5% 100 - 500 Mbps $21 per Mbps 99.5% 500 - 1000 Mbps $20 per Mbps 99.5%
National CIR Price Per Month SLA 1 - 100 Mbps $13 per Mbps 99.5% 100 - 500 Mbps $12 per Mbps 99.5% 500 - 1000 Mbps $11 per Mbps 99.5%
We can provide nationwide backhaul (needed these days for connecting up UFB zones) starting from $7.50 per Mbps.
Terms are only 12 months, and happy to look into free trails, etc.
Joel van Velden Account Manager Next Generation Wholesale 0800 891 365http://ngw.co.nzsales(a)ngw.co.nz
On 2/07/2014 8:31 p.m., Skeeve Stevens wrote:
Hey all,
There was a discussion recently on Ausnog about Transit, so I was inspired to make a video about some of my thoughts on the subject. I've done this video as my ISP Guy thing, and I thought I would share it as you might find it useful or interesting.
It isn't meant to stir up people, but I am sure it may, especially those selling transit in a certain way. This video is more about educating people about the value of transit in certain kinds of ways. It is about 14 mins long, but I'd like to know what you thought if you have time to watch it.
http://theispguy.com/thoughts-about-transit/ or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpq_jOMEmdM
The pricing I mention in the video is mostly relevant to Australia and I realise pricing is somewhat different in NZ.
That brings up a question... what is the pricing of transit in NZ and what ways are people selling it?
Are terms 6, 12, 18, 24 months? What is the average price you are seeing? Does pricing drop much at scale? Who are the key providers of quality transit?
Is there a demand for 1:1 in NZ? or is a little contention ok?
Just a few questions so I can understand the NZ market a bit more and in future perhaps include that in my commentary.
...Skeeve
*Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd skeeve(a)eintellegonetworks.co.nz ; www.eintellegonetworks.co.nz
Phone: +612 8014 7398; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve
facebook.com/eintellegonetworks ; linkedin.com/in/skeeve
twitter.com/theispguy ; blog: www.theispguy.com
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You can certainly buy a blended service, that is no problem at all. But most service providers with any sort of scale will buy three separate services – 1. Peering, There is actually very good peering exchanges in the major city’s that cost a minimal amount to connect through via a neutral carrier (Citylink) 2. International (self-explanatory) 3. “Domestic”, this is actually a transit connection to either one of the gang of two (Telecom/Vodafone) who refuse to peer at the neutral exchanges for purely commercial reasons. So if you don’t buy a connection to either Telecom or Vodafone (actually the old TelstraClear, the “Vodafone” (ihug) network is still peered (for now)) then traffic between your customers and their customers will go internationally. This has been the norm for the last dozen years since TelstraClear and Telecom de-peered themselves to make a few more bucks from the smaller carriers and any content providers who might want to set up here. From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Skeeve Stevens Sent: Wednesday, 2 July 2014 11:27 p.m. To: sales(a)ngw.co.nz Cc: NZNOG Mailing-List Subject: Re: [nznog] Thoughts about IP Transit Hi Joel, I find this interesting. In Australia there are few people selling 'National' transit as such... a few, but not too much. Most of the time transit is just transit - full domestic+international+often peering. Would this be because the cost of NZ international transit? and are many people buying domestic by itself? I find this curious.
On 2/07/2014, at 6:49 pm, Joel van Velden
This might be as good a time as any to introduce ourselves.
<snip blatant commercial advertisement> Back in the day, any hint of self promotion or commercial discussion on this list was deemed evil. I also received a similar email (unsolicited) sent to my email address earlier today. Personally, I prefer to seek out services when I need them. Folk who choose to send me UCE tend to go to the bottom of the list very quickly. I do this because (from my considerable experience) a person who does not respect my privacy, is unlikely to be a candidate for a long term professional relationship. Am I getting too old for all of this, or have we crossed a line here? regards Peter Mott LocalCloud Limited Business Critical Application Hosting +64 9 280 0925 -/-
I agree with UCE... I've started receiving a lot of it lately... not sure
how they are getting around the laws, but I've been too lazy to report
them. I also don't often mind if it is someone I know, but the amount of
UCE in .au from players I've never heard of, claiming to be significant
players is annoying.
I think discussion about commercials only helps the community - if allowed
(not under NDA). When did we become so paranoid about what the other guy
is buying at that we avoid the discussion?
I would suggest that avoiding discussion of the pricing of anything from
transit, fibre, racks, etc... just serves the people selling it and keeps
prices higher.
Personally, I would like to know some of the pricing out there so that when
I next go to buy some, I don't have to contact a dozen players, and miss
out on deals which might be around, because let's be honest here... it
isn't exactly something you just Google and get an easy answer. There is
no marketplace or eBay for most ISP services.
...Skeeve
*Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
skeeve(a)eintellegonetworks.co.nz ; www.eintellegonetworks.co.nz
Phone: +612 8014 7398; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve
facebook.com/eintellegonetworks ; http://twitter.com/networkceoau
linkedin.com/in/skeeve
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On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 10:22 PM, Peter Mott
On 2/07/2014, at 6:49 pm, Joel van Velden
wrote: This might be as good a time as any to introduce ourselves.
<snip blatant commercial advertisement>
Back in the day, any hint of self promotion or commercial discussion on this list was deemed evil.
I also received a similar email (unsolicited) sent to my email address earlier today.
Personally, I prefer to seek out services when I need them.
Folk who choose to send me UCE tend to go to the bottom of the list very quickly. I do this because (from my considerable experience) a person who does not respect my privacy, is unlikely to be a candidate for a long term professional relationship.
Am I getting too old for all of this, or have we crossed a line here?
regards
Peter Mott LocalCloud Limited Business Critical Application Hosting
+64 9 280 0925 -/-
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