Hi List, They didn't have any free zones (not a biggy) but the calling rates they had was quite bad. I need something for South Africa. Cheers, Pieter On Thu, 17 Mar 2011, Jean-Francois Pirus wrote:

On Thu, 2011-03-17 at 12:30 +1300, Pieter De Wit wrote:

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So now I am hunting an ISP, with at least some decent phone plans and that supports IPv6, even if it's part of a beta plan. That cuts out xnet/wxc :(

As a matter of interest, which part made you cut out xnet/wxc?

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On 17/03/2011, at 1:02 PM, Pieter De Wit wrote:

Barney....I am sure you guys can pick up the rest from there :)

So, Orcon? That's strange, who at Orcon told you that they wouldn't be doing IPv6 until IPv4 ran out? Was it a helpdesky person who thinks they know, or someone who actually knows what they're talking about? My conversations with engineers there has lead me to believe that they understand why IPv4 run out in their network is not related to when they should roll out IPv6 to their customers. Someone from Orcon want to speak up? -- Nathan Ward

Hi All, It was a helpdesk person that confirmed with a level above. Yes - I know, we should not trust them, but arn't they the first level of contact... I have also sent emails to them in the past regarding IPv6. IMHO, they are quite big and should be pushing this to the customers, not the other way around.....are we still in the dark ages ? :) I'll wait around for someone to speak up....might move quicker than that tho, since I have had some very decent offers off list. Cheers, Pieter On Thu, 17 Mar 2011, Nathan Ward wrote:

On 17/03/2011, at 1:02 PM, Pieter De Wit wrote:

...

Barney....I am sure you guys can pick up the rest from there :)

So, Orcon? That's strange, who at Orcon told you that they wouldn't be doing IPv6 until IPv4 ran out? Was it a helpdesky person who thinks they know, or someone who actually knows what they're talking about? My conversations with engineers there has lead me to believe that they understand why IPv4 run out in their network is not related to when they should roll out IPv6 to their customers.

Someone from Orcon want to speak up?

-- Nathan Ward

I'm currently waiting on Orcon to provide native v6 on their connections, in the mean time making do with a 6to4 tunnel that ends up on FX Networks. The main problem at the moment is a lack of a CPE that properly supports IPv6, my attempts to build custom firmware for BCM63xx modems has been largely thwarted for now by Dynalink/Netcomm's failure to provide proper board definitions in their GPL released source code (it boots, but doesn't identify the board properly) If anyone wants to donate their old ADSL2+ (preferably Broadcom based, working or bricked) modems to the cause, please email me offlist. The resulting firmwares will be made available to all. Cheers, Cam -----Original Message----- From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Don Gould Sent: Thursday, 17 March 2011 1:06 p.m. To: Pieter De Wit Cc: nznog Subject: Re: [nznog] IPv6 needed on ADSL http://www.inspire.net.nz/ are talking the clear technical lead from my observation. That's not to say that others aren't. See: www.ipv6.org.nz for more information about what's happening in .nz There is a technical mailing list. Get posting your technical questions. They're very helpful and it helps the guys to understand where energy needs to be put to continue to support early adopters. IPv6-techsig mailing list IPv6-techsig(a)mailman.internetnz.net.nz http://mailman.internetnz.net.nz/mailman/listinfo/ipv6-techsig D On 17/03/2011 12:30 p.m., Pieter De Wit wrote:

Hi List,

I am looking at moving ISPs because of the recent standing of my current ISP with regards to IPv6. In a nutshell, I was informed that they will not support/give out IPv6 until they have used up the current IPv4 allocations......"great"

So now I am hunting an ISP, with at least some decent phone plans and that supports IPv6, even if it's part of a beta plan. That cuts out xnet/wxc :(

I find it hard to believe that we are so close to IPv6 day and we only have one ISP in NZ that will give out native IPv6....

I know this is more of a technical list, but I don't know where else to turn. Google search came up blank :(

Thanks,

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Hey Pieter, This is not the response I have received from various people within the provider, Last I spoke with them, an implementation plan is in the works. Orcon are definitely not hiding behind the lack of CPE support, I have supporting CPEs available to me, however I'm looking to create firmware that makes them more generally available to 'joe public'. Cheers, Cam -----Original Message----- From: Pieter De Wit [mailto:pieter(a)insync.za.net] Sent: Thursday, 17 March 2011 3:39 p.m. To: Cameron Bradley Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] IPv6 needed on ADSL Hey Cameron, Enjoy the wait, that is the reason for me moving. Not directed at you, but hiding behind the fact that the CPE doesn't support it is no excuse. People that really want the service will go out and buy CPE's that work with it (like myself) we just need to be given the option. I also currently tunnel my IPv6 but ended up on he.net, 280ms ping is not nice :) (Yes I can move to sixxs but I'd prefer native) Cheers, Pieter On Thu, 17 Mar 2011, Cameron Bradley wrote:

I'm currently waiting on Orcon to provide native v6 on their connections, in the mean time making do with a 6to4 tunnel that ends up on FX Networks.

The main problem at the moment is a lack of a CPE that properly supports IPv6, my attempts to build custom firmware for BCM63xx modems has been largely thwarted for now by Dynalink/Netcomm's failure to provide proper board definitions in their GPL released source code (it boots, but doesn't identify the board properly) If anyone wants to donate their old ADSL2+ (preferably Broadcom based, working or bricked) modems to the cause, please email me offlist. The resulting firmwares will be made available to all.

Cheers, Cam

-----Original Message----- From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Don Gould Sent: Thursday, 17 March 2011 1:06 p.m. To: Pieter De Wit Cc: nznog Subject: Re: [nznog] IPv6 needed on ADSL

http://www.inspire.net.nz/ are talking the clear technical lead from my observation. That's not to say that others aren't.

See: www.ipv6.org.nz for more information about what's happening in .nz

There is a technical mailing list. Get posting your technical questions. They're very helpful and it helps the guys to understand where energy needs to be put to continue to support early adopters.

IPv6-techsig mailing list IPv6-techsig(a)mailman.internetnz.net.nz http://mailman.internetnz.net.nz/mailman/listinfo/ipv6-techsig

D

On 17/03/2011 12:30 p.m., Pieter De Wit wrote:

...

Hi List,

I am looking at moving ISPs because of the recent standing of my current ISP with regards to IPv6. In a nutshell, I was informed that they will not support/give out IPv6 until they have used up the current IPv4 allocations......"great"

So now I am hunting an ISP, with at least some decent phone plans and that supports IPv6, even if it's part of a beta plan. That cuts out xnet/wxc :(

I find it hard to believe that we are so close to IPv6 day and we only have one ISP in NZ that will give out native IPv6....

I know this is more of a technical list, but I don't know where else to turn. Google search came up blank :(

Thanks,

Pieter _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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On 17/03/11 Thu, Mar 17, 15:49, Nathan Ward wrote:

Sixxs are as native as HE.

And they have the advantage that they have a node in Wellington to RTTs are as good and often better. From a host in Wellington with the IPv6 tunneled via sixxs. $ ping6 psg.com PING psg.com(psg.com) 56 data bytes 64 bytes from psg.com: icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=159 ms 64 bytes from psg.com: icmp_seq=2 ttl=53 time=160 ms 64 bytes from psg.com: icmp_seq=3 ttl=53 time=159 ms 64 bytes from psg.com: icmp_seq=4 ttl=53 time=159 ms ^C --- psg.com ping statistics --- 5 packets transmitted, 4 received, 20% packet loss, time 4004ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 159.189/159.725/160.008/0.319 ms $ ping psg.com PING psg.com (147.28.0.62) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from psg.com (147.28.0.62): icmp_req=1 ttl=49 time=155 ms 64 bytes from psg.com (147.28.0.62): icmp_req=2 ttl=49 time=156 ms 64 bytes from psg.com (147.28.0.62): icmp_req=3 ttl=49 time=155 ms 64 bytes from psg.com (147.28.0.62): icmp_req=4 ttl=49 time=155 ms 64 bytes from psg.com (147.28.0.62): icmp_req=5 ttl=49 time=155 ms 64 bytes from psg.com (147.28.0.62): icmp_req=6 ttl=49 time=156 ms ^C --- psg.com ping statistics --- 6 packets transmitted, 6 received, 0% packet loss, time 6144ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 155.242/155.657/156.465/0.567 ms

On 17/03/11 16:56 , Nathan Ward wrote:

On 17/03/2011, at 4:47 PM, Andy Linton wrote:

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5 packets transmitted, 4 received, 20% packet loss, time 4004ms

Someone should fix ping so that it only reports loss when packets were not received in the wait time.

5 packets transmitted, 4 expected, 4 received, 0% packet loss, time 4004ms

In your copious free time, off you go...

Ok... so here is a factoid. The number 1 most prevalent DSL modem in the country (Alcatel-Lucent/thomson Speedtouch 536) as shipped, and still shipping with xtra signups, supports pptp passthrough to atm/dsl - meaning if people want they can have v6 compliant kit so long as they terminate the connection on something that supports v6 i.e any recent OS or WirelessAP. Problem is no-one who isn't a geek is going to take the 10-15 minutes out of their day to figure out how to set it up from the defaults. Another interesting factoid, the 536 supports configuration server updates from the upstream. I guess what I am saying is that it wouldn't be so difficult with a little co-ordination and a soft/dhcpv6 client to make all of the currently deployed v536's work as native v6. Just sayn.

The main problem at the moment is a lack of a CPE that properly supports IPv6, my attempts to build custom firmware for BCM63xx modems has been largely thwarted for now by Dynalink/Netcomm's failure to provide proper board definitions in their GPL released source code (it boots, but doesn't identify the board properly) If anyone wants to donate their old ADSL2+ (preferably Broadcom based, working or bricked) modems to the cause, please email me offlist. The resulting firmwares will be made available to all.

I also stopped waiting for a CPE that works, and I wanted something easily/locally available, so I went instead for a TP-Link TL-WR1043ND running OpenWrt as the router and a Draytek Vigor 120 as a modem (it does PPPoA to PPPoE "transaltion") Works like a charm IPv6 and all. PS: I first tried a TD-8840 in half-bridge mode, but that doesn't do IPv6. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jean-Francois Pirus Technical Manager Phone (+64-9) 358 2081 Clearfield Software Ltd Fax (+64-9) 358 2083 1st Floor 8-10 Whitaker Place Mob (+64-21) 640 779 P O Box 3901 Auckland, New Zealand ------------------------------------------------------------------------

The Draytek Vigor 120 actually uses an Infineon chipset (Infineon Amazon-SE). Also FYI the AU download page lists multiple different firmware variants optimized for different ISAM/DSLAM vendors: http://www.draytek.com.au/downloads.php?type=Vigor120 http://www.draytek.com.au/downloads.php?type=Vigor120On 17/03/2011 4:34 p.m., Cameron Bradley wrote:

I looked into that too, however as I can't ascertain the chipset the DV120 is based on, I'm loathe to put it anywhere near the 'fussy' Infineon DSLAMs Orcon use. Currently I operate a Netcomm NB6 in half-bridge, but as you say, no IPv6 Support.

Cam

-----Original Message----- From: Jean-Francois Pirus [mailto:jfpn(a)clearfield.com] Sent: Thursday, 17 March 2011 4:31 p.m. To: Cameron Bradley Cc: nznog Subject: Re: [nznog] IPv6 needed on ADSL

...

The main problem at the moment is a lack of a CPE that properly supports IPv6, my attempts to build custom firmware for BCM63xx modems has been largely thwarted for now by Dynalink/Netcomm's failure to provide proper board definitions in their GPL released source code (it boots, but doesn't identify the board properly) If anyone wants to donate their old ADSL2+ (preferably Broadcom based, working or bricked) modems to the cause, please email me offlist. The resulting firmwares will be made available to all. I also stopped waiting for a CPE that works, and I wanted something easily/locally available, so I went instead for a TP-Link TL-WR1043ND running OpenWrt as the router and a Draytek Vigor 120 as a modem (it does PPPoA to PPPoE "transaltion")

Works like a charm IPv6 and all.

PS: I first tried a TD-8840 in half-bridge mode, but that doesn't do IPv6.

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To revive this discussion. I'm a little disappointed in Netcomm, just acquired one of their NB6Plus4s and popped the IPv6 firmware on it, and this firmware is all manner of broken... You can't enable IPv6 on PPPoA without hand-editing the config backup, and you can't change the admin usernames/passwords without the same, etc. It does however seem to indicate that there are other features available that are not yet implemented in the UI. It is definitely not 'release ready' or even 'beta' level quality, sadly. From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Ragnor Sent: Thursday, 17 March 2011 9:24 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] IPv6 needed on ADSL The Draytek Vigor 120 actually uses an Infineon chipset (Infineon Amazon-SE). Also FYI the AU download page lists multiple different firmware variants optimized for different ISAM/DSLAM vendors: http://www.draytek.com.au/downloads.php?type=Vigor120 On 17/03/2011 4:34 p.m., Cameron Bradley wrote: I looked into that too, however as I can't ascertain the chipset the DV120 is based on, I'm loathe to put it anywhere near the 'fussy' Infineon DSLAMs Orcon use. Currently I operate a Netcomm NB6 in half-bridge, but as you say, no IPv6 Support. Cam -----Original Message----- From: Jean-Francois Pirus [mailto:jfpn(a)clearfield.com] Sent: Thursday, 17 March 2011 4:31 p.m. To: Cameron Bradley Cc: nznog Subject: Re: [nznog] IPv6 needed on ADSL The main problem at the moment is a lack of a CPE that properly supports IPv6, my attempts to build custom firmware for BCM63xx modems has been largely thwarted for now by Dynalink/Netcomm's failure to provide proper board definitions in their GPL released source code (it boots, but doesn't identify the board properly) If anyone wants to donate their old ADSL2+ (preferably Broadcom based, working or bricked) modems to the cause, please email me offlist. The resulting firmwares will be made available to all. I also stopped waiting for a CPE that works, and I wanted something easily/locally available, so I went instead for a TP-Link TL-WR1043ND running OpenWrt as the router and a Draytek Vigor 120 as a modem (it does PPPoA to PPPoE "transaltion") Works like a charm IPv6 and all. PS: I first tried a TD-8840 in half-bridge mode, but that doesn't do IPv6. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jean-Francois Pirus mailto:jfp(a)clearfield.com Technical Manager Phone (+64-9) 358 2081 Clearfield Software Ltd Fax (+64-9) 358 2083 1st Floor 8-10 Whitaker Place Mob (+64-21) 640 779 P O Box 3901 Auckland, New Zealand ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nzmailto:NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

On Mar 17, 2011, at 12:46 PM, Dave Mill wrote:

We have a few customers with IPv6 right now. Mainly on our PPPoE wireless/ethernet products, but a couple on our DSL.

Out of curiosity, what're they doing with it? Testing, or actually accessing something? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Roland Dobbins // http://www.arbornetworks.com The basis of optimism is sheer terror. -- Oscar Wilde