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(OT) Getting to NZNOG '05
by Jeremy Naylor 16 Jan '05

16 Jan '05

Hey guys, For people who want to know about how to get to the NZNOG '05 conference, you might want to catch the Overlander train that Tranz Scenic run. There's 2 every day (1 from Wellington - Auckland & 1 from Auckland - Wellington). You can get more info about these trains if you want to on Tranz Scenic's web site, at: http://www.tranzscenic.co.nz/services/overlander.aspx Hope this helps. Thanks, -- Jeremy Naylor p: +64 21 374 689 e: jeremy.naylor(a)r2.co.nz w: http://www.r2.co.nz/~jeremy w: http://e-living.wellington.net.nz -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 30/12/2004

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RE: [nznog] Alternative DSL?
by Philip D'Ath 16 Jan '05

16 Jan '05

VDSL switches are a good middle ground between Ethernet switches and DSLAMs ... _____ From: Richards, David [mailto:David.Richards(a)ccc.govt.nz] Sent: Monday, 17 January 2005 5:34 p.m. To: jon.brewer(a)araneo.net.nz Cc: nznog Subject: RE: [nznog] Alternative DSL? Any reason why you aren't thinking Ethernet? - Provided the distances are shot. An Ethernet switch is a lot cheaper than a DSLAM. -- David Richards, Senior Network Engineer IT Services Unit - 'Enabling people through technology' Christchurch City Council, New Zealand Phone: +64 3 941 8689 | Fax: +64 3 941 8989 | Mobile: +64 27 242 7689 email: David.Richards(a)ccc.govt.nz

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OT - Linux Systems Administrator
by Edward Yardley 16 Jan '05

16 Jan '05

**OFF TOPIC** Hi All, Any Linux Systems Administrators looking for work in Wellington please contact me off list or call me on (04) 499-1276. This is a new role, will involve establishing security (intrusion detection), Red Hat environment. Kind Regards Edward. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.

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Re: [nznog] 02.net
by Lamar - 02.Net Internet Services 16 Jan '05

16 Jan '05

As Neil pointed out, 02.Net has not gone bust and is still trading. Due to the recent IPNET issue with Telecom, we decided for the money actually made on dialup services and the level of support required that we would no longer continue providing this service. As for Craig's statement about "unable to sell any services.." this is incorrect our Dialup (and all other services) are still working until customers swap over to Orcon (who are contacting customers with our permission). In short, we're getting out of dialup internet because there is no money in continuing these types of services. We are focusing more on corporate and higher speed products, with a lesser level of support required. So, you will still see us around. Any questions or queries can be sent directly through to myself. -- Regards, Lamar (02.Net's Director). >>From the 02.net.nz website... > >>If you are an Internet customer of 02.Net, due to circumstances > outside of our >>control, 02.Net is unable to continue supply of Dialup services at > this time. We >>are working to get this resolved. However, in the meantime Auckland > based ISP >>Orcon Internet Limited have taken over our Dialup customer database. >> >>Orcon will be in contact with Internet customers to advise a change in > dialup >>numbers. However, the statements that Orcon's helpdesk are giving out > of 02.Net >>Internet Services Limited going bust are incorrect. We are trying to > contact the >>Orcon helpdesk manager to get this resolved. >> >>If you have any questions relating to this or any other matters, > please feel free >>to call us on 0800 4 02NET (0800 4 02638) > > Craig - Sure it may be the case, but they have stated specifically on > their web-page that they haven't gone bust. Surely it's not worth making > such statements unless you actually know what's happening? > > Cheers - Neil Gardner. > > > >>>> "Craig Spiers" <craig(a)concept.net.nz> 17/01/2005 1:49:46 p.m. >>> > Maybe of interest to some people on the list.. > > > > 02.net.nz appears to have gone bust - well not gone bust as such, but > is > unable to sell any services.. > > > > > > > NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential > information intended only for the use of the addressee > named above. If you are not the intended recipient of > this message you are hereby notified that you must not > disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. > If you have received this message in error please > notify Allied Telesyn Research Ltd immediately. > Any views expressed in this message are those of the > individual sender, except where the sender has the > authority to issue and specifically states them to > be the views of Allied Telesyn Research. > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog >

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Alternative DSL?
by Jonathan Brewer 16 Jan '05

16 Jan '05

Questions for NZNOG: In a new apartment building with CAT5 run from each unit to a central closet, installed by the developers, who owns the CAT5? If the CAT5 is the property of the building body corporate, is it permissable for an alternative network operator to install their own mini-DSLAM, and provide alternative DSL to building occupants? If this unit is not using Telecom lines, does it need to be Telepermit approved? If competitive DSL is run over spare pairs (not in use by TelecomNZ), will there be any implications for residents who subscribe to JetStream? Am I going to end up in pain for asking these questions? Cheers, Jon

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RE: [nznog] Alternative DSL?
by Regan Murphy 16 Jan '05

16 Jan '05

I read a contract for a development in Auckland recently. There was a clause regarding services that stated that the purchaser must purchase electricity/gas/water from the company that the developers specify. There was also a clause that made it compulsory for future buyers to agree to this too. It may or may not have extended this to other services - I'm not sure - this development also had cat-5 cabled throughout and mentioned broadband internet access as an available service. This clause, among others, put me off investing in the development. I'm pretty sure that to answer your question you would need to check the contracts signed by the owners and check the body corporate rules - I doubt you will get a single situation that covers all developments. You will probably need to negotiate with the manager/body corporates at each location. -- Regan ________________________________ From: Jonathan Brewer [mailto:jon.brewer(a)worldnet.att.net] Sent: Monday, 17 January 2005 3:28 p.m. To: 'nznog' Subject: [nznog] Alternative DSL? Questions for NZNOG: In a new apartment building with CAT5 run from each unit to a central closet, installed by the developers, who owns the CAT5? If the CAT5 is the property of the building body corporate, is it permissable for an alternative network operator to install their own mini-DSLAM, and provide alternative DSL to building occupants? If this unit is not using Telecom lines, does it need to be Telepermit approved? If competitive DSL is run over spare pairs (not in use by TelecomNZ), will there be any implications for residents who subscribe to JetStream? Am I going to end up in pain for asking these questions? Cheers, Jon ##################################################################################### This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal #####################################################################################

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RE: [nznog] Alternative DSL?
by Kristy Edwards 16 Jan '05

16 Jan '05

-----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Brewer [mailto:jon.brewer(a)worldnet.att.net] Sent: Monday, 17 January 2005 15:28 To: 'nznog' Subject: [nznog] Alternative DSL? Questions for NZNOG: In a new apartment building with CAT5 run from each unit to a central closet, installed by the developers, who owns the CAT5? I believe this would be the owner of the building, or the body corporate (which consists of the tenants of the apartments of the building). If the CAT5 is the property of the building body corporate, is it permissable for an alternative network operator to install their own mini-DSLAM, and provide alternative DSL to building occupants? Yes this is permissable. Obviously the building owner / manager would need to approve this. But if the building owner is doing an 'under-the-table' deal with Telecom and stops other providers providing their alternative DSL to building occupants, this can be considered anti-competitive behaviour and Telecom could be taken to the commerce commission for this. If this unit is not using Telecom lines, does it need to be Telepermit approved? No, as it is not using telecom lines! They would need to have their own lines into the building, however. If competitive DSL is run over spare pairs (not in use by TelecomNZ), will there be any implications for residents who subscribe to JetStream? Apart from interference, I would not believe so. Am I going to end up in pain for asking these questions? Cheers, Jon

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Re: [nznog] 02.net
by neil gardner 16 Jan '05

16 Jan '05

>From the 02.net.nz website... >If you are an Internet customer of 02.Net, due to circumstances outside of our >control, 02.Net is unable to continue supply of Dialup services at this time. We >are working to get this resolved. However, in the meantime Auckland based ISP >Orcon Internet Limited have taken over our Dialup customer database. > >Orcon will be in contact with Internet customers to advise a change in dialup >numbers. However, the statements that Orcon's helpdesk are giving out of 02.Net >Internet Services Limited going bust are incorrect. We are trying to contact the >Orcon helpdesk manager to get this resolved. > >If you have any questions relating to this or any other matters, please feel free >to call us on 0800 4 02NET (0800 4 02638) Craig - Sure it may be the case, but they have stated specifically on their web-page that they haven't gone bust. Surely it's not worth making such statements unless you actually know what's happening? Cheers - Neil Gardner. >>> "Craig Spiers" <craig(a)concept.net.nz> 17/01/2005 1:49:46 p.m. >>> Maybe of interest to some people on the list.. 02.net.nz appears to have gone bust - well not gone bust as such, but is unable to sell any services.. NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify Allied Telesyn Research Ltd immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender has the authority to issue and specifically states them to be the views of Allied Telesyn Research.

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02.net
by Craig Spiers 16 Jan '05

16 Jan '05

Maybe of interest to some people on the list.. 02.net.nz appears to have gone bust - well not gone bust as such, but is unable to sell any services..

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RE: [nznog] Alternative DSL?
by Richards, David 15 Jan '05

15 Jan '05

Any reason why you aren't thinking Ethernet? - Provided the distances are shot. An Ethernet switch is a lot cheaper than a DSLAM. -- David Richards, Senior Network Engineer IT Services Unit - 'Enabling people through technology' Christchurch City Council, New Zealand Phone: +64 3 941 8689 | Fax: +64 3 941 8989 | Mobile: +64 27 242 7689 email: David.Richards(a)ccc.govt.nz ________________________________ From: Jonathan Brewer [mailto:jon.brewer(a)worldnet.att.net] Sent: Monday, 17 January 2005 15:28 To: 'nznog' Subject: [nznog] Alternative DSL? Questions for NZNOG: In a new apartment building with CAT5 run from each unit to a central closet, installed by the developers, who owns the CAT5? If the CAT5 is the property of the building body corporate, is it permissable for an alternative network operator to install their own mini-DSLAM, and provide alternative DSL to building occupants? If this unit is not using Telecom lines, does it need to be Telepermit approved? If competitive DSL is run over spare pairs (not in use by TelecomNZ), will there be any implications for residents who subscribe to JetStream? Am I going to end up in pain for asking these questions? Cheers, Jon ********************************************************************** This electronic email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. The views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the Christchurch City Council. If you are not the correct recipient of this email please advise the sender and delete. Christchurch City Council http://www.ccc.govt.nz **********************************************************************

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